Weekly Scrap #275 - Bassel Ibrahim, Firefighter Mayday Survey

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Corley: So come be apart. Looking forward to seeing and talking to you in the Discord. Stay safe. Speaker 3: For the beat and the broken, for the lost and forsaken, let us never surrender. Now we rise until the call Corley: Corley Moore, Firehouse Vigilance. It is weekly scrap number 275. And it is tonight, my friend, my brother, Basil Ibrahim. He is a 20-year student of the fire service. Currently serving as the company officer of Tower One on the OFD, Orlando Fire Department. He started his career in Belusia County, Florida, spent most of his time in Special Operations Union. He is a Florida and Georgia smoke diver. Georgia Flames graduate and teaches truck school VES writ operations all across the country He is the owner and lead instructor of Pro, Proactive Rescue Operations, an international training company that focuses on writ survival and truck operation. Basil does the training. He teaches USAR. He has one of my favorite lectures, One Bad Day. If you've never caught it, you have to catch it. And now something we will talk about hopefully a little bit later on the show, One Bad Tour, which is, you know, its old home thing. But the main focus of tonight is his current project. The firefighter made a survey. So we're going to get right to it. Welcome back to the scrap. My brother, Basil Ibrahim.

Basil Ibrahim: What's up, Corley? What's up, guys? Thanks for having me again. Corley: Appreciate it. Super excited. is there anything I missed? Anything you want to add in the intro? No. You already said too much. I knew it. I know you did. audience, get your questions ready about the firefighter Mayday Survey, about one bad tour, about one bad day. Get them in and we will discuss them. A lot to get to, so we're gonna get to the sponsors and get them done. Let's talk about them. Lead off with snap tight hose. When it comes to performance under pressure, you need equipment that won't let you down. That's where American-made snaptight comes in. It is built tough for firefighters. Snaptight hose is engineered to perform under pressure. Plus, snaptight hoses are easy to deploy and even easier to rely on, with unmatched heat resistance to abrasion and extreme temperatures. Here's the best part. They offer guaranteed shipping in four-week lead times. Visit SnapTightHose. com to learn more or find a distributor near you. Snaptight Hose, reliable, durable, and ready when you are. Of course, Affordable Drill Towers on a mission to bring you the cost-effective and versatile training props like the Affordable Bell Out Prop, which allows you to practice window bailouts, ladder bailouts, and ladder high point rescues They also make the affordable standpipe prop, which you can take into the classroom for standpipe theory, roll it into the parking lot, and pump realistic flows and pressures. From one of the best, they also make their standby the affordable drill tower itself. The affordable drill tower comes in several configurations and standard with a standpipe system. Choose from one or two sets of stairs. You can integrate it into your existing connex boxes for multi story access or free standing on a slab. All models NFPA 1402 compliant and gain you ISO credit. The only thing that you can't do in an affordable drill tower is live fire training. Call Steve 844-55 Tower or drop an email to info at affordable drilltowers. com. And last but not least, firefighter safety and accountability starts with being able to quickly find and identify individual firefighters operating on the fire ground. Identifier Safety combines the best in photoluminescent materials for durable firefighter identification solutions that can glow for up to 20 hours. with no switches, no batteries, which means you can rapidly identify firefighters by name, unit, or assignment, even under hot fire condition.

Corley: All specifically designed and tested for the rigors of the job. Be seen on scene, identifiersafety. com. And with that. . . We are ready to get to it, my brother. So I'm going to start off pretty basic and simple and say, talk to me about Firefighter Made A Survey and how it came to be Basil Ibrahim: All right, so essentially it was born following Don Abbott's passing. the data that he was populating from Project Mayday and all his work and everything kind of halted and it stopped. being in the you know, data world, the rate world, I was on that site and following his research all the time. And when it stopped, I was like, well, what what are we gonna do? Speaker 3: You know. Basil Ibrahim: So we contemplated Doing our own for a few months, and you know, everybody has great ideas and it kind of goes by the wayside and all, and then And then when when we actually needed to reference data or look at things, there is no data out there. There's nothing that could compare to what the Project Mayday did. So essentially, that's when the firefighter made a survey was born. We reached out to a few different people all around the country. I I called a bunch of people that I considered you know quote unquote experts. You know, nobody's an expert and those guys and girls won't tell you that they're experts, but in my opinion They have expertise, they have tenure, they can back up everything that they say nationally at the national level in the realm of RITs, LODDs, Maydays. They've done it, they've seen it, they've taught it, they've researched it. So I reached out and kind of pitched the idea to them, and we'll go over who they are here in a second, but I pitched the idea to them, like, hey, you guys want to come on this journey with me and try to. start Project Mayday again. obviously, you know I'm not taking any credit from anything Don Abbott and his team has done. He's done, like I said, in in the last, you know, scrap I was on, I put him on the top on the Mount Roshmore of, you know, the five. it is right no absolutely firefighters so i'm not stealing anything but it needs to be continued what he did what he did for the fire service so Every person that I reached out to said they're on board.

Basil Ibrahim: I told them it was going to be a lot of work, a lot of groan pains, and they're like, let's let's get it done. So it's been Since January that the of this year that the idea has been kind of going on in my head. And we officially started working on the firefighter Mayday survey on the beta study started on August 7th. of this year. So the team, because this is not Basil's you know, Mayday survey, it's not You know, the you can't do this stuff by yourself. It's impossible. you know, you have Chief Eddie Griffin, who is retired from Orlando Fire Department. down in Florida. You have Doctor and also Chief Lindsay Judah from St. Pete. in Florida, Chief Aaron Heller from New Jersey, Chief Jimmy Crawford, now in South Carolina. chief walt lewis also currently employed at ofd orlando fire and lieutenant seth major from colorado west metro I value every one of these people's opinion. They've had a huge effect on the rate world, the Mayday world, and the fire service in general. So we try to Create a team of diverse talents, of people that are very smart in the software world, very smart in the academia, some people that are really good with the political aspect of it, the legal aspect of it, because there is a lot more behind the scene things that we don't get to see. Right. And I didn't know any of that until I started all this. I'm just a you know a fireman, a firefighter. I want to get this done and you know collect the data and go train and make the fire service better. But With this team, in conjunction, in coordination with the firefighter rescue survey, I also called those guys up, Brian Brush, and he put me in contact with all their teams. And I pitched the idea to them. I'm like, guys, essentially, I want to cheat on everything that you guys did. And I want to copy it and made it make it into a made-A format. Not re not remake the wheel. Exactly. I'm like, guys, you did a lot of the work ahead of time. I pitched him my idea. I told them this is not about making money. It's not going to be biased. It's going to be objective data collection. raw we will put out the raw data out.

Basil Ibrahim: We're gonna put out the the statistics out for the entire fire service to take and use as they place. Dissect, inspect, disseminate everything. That's it. That's it. You know, and this is why we named it firefighter Mayday survey, rhymes with firefighter rescue survey, right? We want to kind of try to keep everything in the same realm. They've changed the game, man. The firefighter rescue survey and those guys are changing the game. for search and SOPs, tactics, equipment, I mean, everything. And hopefully we'll be able to do the same with the firefighter Mayday survey In a nutshell, that's what it is. Corley: Wow. No, I love it. I love it. I'm making notes here. And we already got questions coming from an audience. Get your questions in about the Mayday survey Please, please, please get your questions in if you want to ask Basil why he's here, because he's here to talk about those. First question coming from the audience, and I'm sure there's a lot of these, and maybe even part of the frequently asked questions. But Tom Hollett coming at you from Texas, he says, is there a question in the survey that will ask about training the person resolving the Mayday has had? I mean how much and I know there's so many facets to discuss, but Go ahead.

Basil Ibrahim: Yes, what's up, Tom? Good good to have you on the scrap, man. Listen, absolutely. So this the survey is gonna be Very detailed, but also is going to be followed by a phone interview if the person submitting it is willing to. So yes, to answer your question, it asks about the firefighter and distressed level of training. It asks about the rescue team. level of training, the the commanding staff, the IC's level of training, the dispatcher's level of training. So it's it it goes in detail about all of that stuff in a nutshell to answer your question. Now anybody can go on the website right now and then Hit submit survey and then see all the questions that are on the survey. Okay. So if you're asking, if you want to see what's on there, you can go there, click it, and then just You know, scroll down, see the questions, just don't hit submit at the end. Okay. And even if you do, it's not a big deal because we'll be validating. We have to validate every single entry that comes in anyways So but to answer Tom's question, yes, yes, there will be a question in regards to training of everybody that was involved in the firefighter in distress

Corley: No, that's awesome. and I got I went I went there that Basil actually sent me a link and I went there and I went through and I filled out a survey, a fictional survey just to see all the questions. And it is comprehensive, and it's almost that balance of You know, there's so many questions you can ask, and not just the questions you ask, but you also have to give it context, you know, to to You know exactly what I'm saying. It's like it's that balance, that fine balance. And and what's been your guiding mantra or or or kind of your thought process between you and your team is of what to include and what to exclude? Yeah. Basil Ibrahim: So originally we wanted, we started by doing two surveys because we said, okay, well, firefighters, their attention span is about four and a half seconds when they fill out something. something and then they're gone. So we're like, let's do a short, very, very brief survey that encompasses just the basics of what happens. And then we'll once based on that, we have the follow-up survey that we will send out to that person to get more details on the incident. Well, when we did our beta study in August, we received over 45 entries in less than a month, okay, just for the initial survey. Survey, boom. So we stopped it. We wanted to see validate some questions and some answers, so on and so forth. Well, out of those 45 surveys, when we sent the follow-up survey to all of them We only got 18 of them back. Oh, so sub 50, yeah. So we're like, well, that's not that's not good. So I don't know if it's You know, you know, people don't want to log on the computer again and then do it. You can also do it on your phone, but so the consensus was with a team, we're gonna do one survey that is Decently detailed and we will follow that up with a phone interview if that person is willing to do so. Now, and this worked out a lot better. The metrics are are a lot better. Now, what's difficult about creating an actual survey is not so much the question, is the answer. We have to pick create multiple choice answers so that the software can accurately pull the data and compute it itself.

Basil Ibrahim: So we don't have any, you know, skewed numbers And that is very difficult when there are so many gray areas. So we don't have, we don't talk the same languages across the US. So we've done our best right now to come up with good answers. But most of the questions that have a gray area have a tab. That says other and then you can input you know your own answer on there and then we will take that and then add it to the correct area. of the survey on the back end. No doubt. This survey also is gonna evolve. So this is gonna be it's gonna launch January 1st, 2025. That's the inception day. It's live right now. You can go, you can submit, but officially it's going to be populated January 1st, 2025. You will also be able to retroactively input Maydays, near misses, close calls that happened to you prior to that. So you don't have to wait for a Mayday or a near miss or a bad call to happen, you know, after 2025. If it happened to you last year, three years ago, four years ago, go in there and fill out the survey. Well what I want to really stress, Corley, I know you probably have questions, but this is the most important part out of this whole thing. This is not something that is going to be used punitively. I want people to understand that. You can fill out a survey anonymously without putting your name or any of that. The only thing we need is a date and a location so we can actually validate the information that you're sending. None of the information that you provide will ever be released, like no personal information will ever be released to anybody. We really don't even ask any personal information. We don't collect names. We don't collect any of this stuff. So feel free to submit the survey, guys. It's not like you're not the more data we have, the better it's gonna be. You don't have to wait for a formal investigation. You don't have to be the down firefighter to submit it. If you are on that scene and you want to submit a survey, submit the survey Okay, it we all get a different perspective because you may have a completely different perspective on your end as a rescuer than the down the down firefighter Okay, and we'll be able to categorize all of those responses and data based on the survey, the way it is laid out right now.

Basil Ibrahim: So that's the main thing. It's not punitive. Anybody can fill it out at any time. And it could be anonymous if you choose so. You just hit hit the link, the the what what what you call it. Check the box that says, you know, anonymous and you'll never hear from us again. You know, we'll validate it. And if if you send us a bunch of BS, then we'll we'll throw it out. We'll flag it. throw it out. I love it. Corley: Chris Wessel's coming at you from Georgia. And I love this. He says would because he's he he's been on the scrap. He's he's retired now. He put some years in on the job, but he said, would close calls from many years back in my career be useful or relevant? It's it's useful, sir. Basil Ibrahim: Put put it in. Hey, put put the data in, okay? And we will be categorizing it by years. If you put the data in We can take it and put it in wherever we want to. So we're going to populate the data and Corley, I spoke to you about this last week but we're gonna send the data out once we get a good robust set of entries we'll put it out and categorize it by year we can categorize it by region We can categorize it by the first 100, the first 1000. We can do all of that once we have enough data. So send the stuff, even if it's from years ago, and we can compare, we can see the progression. Well, was it working before? What are we doing now? Is it working? Is it not working? What do we need to change? You know, the goal of this is not just to collect data, just to collect data for fun. Okay. As a matter of fact, this is not fun. This takes a lot of work and it's consuming every ounce and every minute of my life for the past year literally. Okay. But the goal of this, and this is our mission statement. Is to compile, analyze, and share data obtained objectively from real firefighter maydays and near misses with the goal of improving firefighter safety, training and fine ground tactics okay that so that's it that's all we want to do we want to make it better by just providing tools for the fire service to

Corley: use that's it dude i love it and and this is the crazy part is and and i say crazy this is the part that blows my mind is we are living in a i mean i know everybody probably the live always says we're living in the best time to be alive alive but this was not possible you know five i five might be a little bit it might have been possible but like firefighter rescue survey and firefighter made a survey firefighters actually collecting our wins and collecting our data for ourselves and then making it available for dissemination and inspection and summarization and actual application. I mean, it's just this didn't exist a decade ago. You couldn't do it. And and and so it's just it's this is the like if you're a part of this, you're in the cutting edge of the future of the fire service. Like what's going to impact our our our trading regimes, our just like firefighter rescue survey and everything crush and and those guys put together and then now basil we need to give basil another a nickname now too but we got Baz It's not it's not my survey, man. There's a team of people out there. I know, I know, I know you're gonna downplay that. So that's fine. it's the same thing as when people say thanks for the book of search. I'm like, it's believe me, everybody else put this thing together. And so I get it 100%. But it's still man, amazing. Okay. Questions coming at you still. There's the people asking stuff that I want to get to. I loved, thank you, Chief Wessels, for the question Chris Nugent's asking, do you think there's ever a chance we see this type of survey joined with NERIS incident reporting?

Basil Ibrahim: So the goal, the goal, fictitious goal in this head right here is to eventually have that as a tab on any of your nearest reports, you know, go on there, hit it, and go for it. Now Now, when you talk about Maydays, when you talk about close calls, when you talk about line of duty deaths, In my opinion, and actually in everybody's opinion, it's a little bit more different and difficult than a rescue. A grab, right? Everybody wants to tell you about their grab and the rescue because it's cool, right? You saved somebody. Most of the times, a Mayday the near misses, close calls. Why did this happen? Well most of the times, again, not always, but Most of the times is because there was some sort of mistake, failure, error, something went wrong. Well, we live in the world of lawyers liability and all this crap. So now people are like I don't know if I want to really document all this stuff on there. I need to wait for the investigation to be done, this, that, and the other. So it's a it's a double-edged sword. It would be awesome to see it eventually on like a huge official platform like that. But in my opinion, there is also a huge value of for it to be. kind of informally formal, if that makes sense. Like this is going to be peer reviewed. It's going to be You just you can give the data and not have any ties as far as liability goes to it. But we're going to validate it and make sure that you're not just giving us information just to give us information So it would be awesome to see it, but there is also a lot of value for it not to be on there at the moment. It's a double-edged sword.

Corley: No, I brother, no, I get it. And that's so many questions coming. I like this one. I think Sam's posting it, so I'll get there. But I'll get to the I want to get to Kaiser's question because I like it a lot. But Alex Val Bonedo, I'm sorry if I butchered your name Piggybacking into the training question. Are you collecting training Maydays? We know in the past we've had tragic events with line of duty death. Yes. So great question. Is it Valbuena? Basil Ibrahim: Is it Alex Valbuena? Corley: Maybe it's NATO with the end. So I don't know if it's probably probably brother. Basil Ibrahim: Great question. Absolute great question. Yes, we're actually one of the I think on the top five questions is is your emergency real life emergency or is is it a training emergency So they will be categorized in both of those. And I personally myself wasn't involved in a Mayday in training. Down here in Miami about three four months ago you know unfortunately Mayday and then two people was it I think two people Maybe one person died in Miami a couple couple months ago. Okay, training fire. So that needs to be documented as well. So Coley, I'm gonna say this real quick. The firefighter Mayday survey is the data that we're collecting. It's not for, let's say, close calls that you're having on the highway or a trench rescue. It's specifically for structure fires, incidents, okay? Residential, commercial, apartment, high-rise, in any type of structural firefighting training. So don't fill out the survey if you're, you know, you almost got hit by by a truck or, you know, you're having a a cardiac arrest or whatnot at the firehouse while you're you were sleeping or whatever. Those are good data to collect, but this is going to be specifically for structure fires on the fire ground and in training.

Corley: Perfect. No, and that that's that answers a lot of questions about that. Alex Valbuena, is I can see your name in YouTube. I actually put two at the end of it, so I was I was adding to it and butchering his name. So that's on me. Gregory Van Ham, great question. He says, what are the results so far from the beta test? Like how is that how are you pleased with it where it's at? What did you learn? Basil Ibrahim: So we stopped the the beta the beta test. We've gotten over a hundred entries, but we only took 45 of them with the full survey. The We haven't made all of the follow-up interviews. so as far as giving you full accurate data out there, I am seeing a lot of shocking things shocking data that comes out as far as the the way we operate down here and what I thought what would be you know just normal but Out of the 45 survey, just I'll just tell you one right now, out of 45 sir responses that came in, zero zero hit their emergency button to call a Mayday. And then when when when you look at some of their policies, a lot of the policies says You know, yeah, depressed the emergency body, Y, and Z. A lot of ironic things too. I'm seeing there is not a correlation between between the SOPs or the procedures that like to call out a Mayday and then what actually is happening By the firefighter in the street calling the Mayday. So whatever acronym or whatnot that that department tells you to use, it is not translating to what actually is happening by that person. Just big disconnect. Yeah, big, big disconnect on that. A lot of radios, a lot of radios being worn completely. completely on the outside still. So we're seeing these trends out there that will be able to show Once we get again a more robust set of data, I don't want to just give you information right now because I'll be telling you stuff that I know from Project Mayday and a little bit of what I have right now. But we'll be able to really do a lot of correlation between, hey, why is this happening And if you're doing this, you're gonna get this result. Well, why don't we try to change this and increase the you know safety over here?

Basil Ibrahim: Or if we do a more proactive approach then maybe we can get a little bit more of a faster response so and I can just keep going man that that question is a good question corley but I mean There's so much to talk about even with the little bit of data that we've got so far. Corley: No, that's that's what's that's what's so exciting about it because just just the beta test When you told me those numbers the other day, I was like, whoa, because it's not even launched yet. That was just a limited beta run. and I'm excited about it. Tony Nunes, he it was kind of answered already. He asks, is there a time frame you're looking at for in regard to summarizing And me and you talked about it the other day. And mainly you want the benchmarks of of probably hitting a big number like a thousand or something, kind of like Firefighter Rescue Survey did. Basil Ibrahim: So go ahead. Yeah. So I mean, this is a good question that we can put out there too. And again, we're just as much in the learning phase as anybody else. We are very open-minded when it comes to all this stuff. So we've talked with the the committee here, the guys, the team When do we populate the data? Do we wait a year and populate it on a yearly basis or do we wait for, hey, the first 100, the first 500? We don't have a good answer yet, but what I'm gonna tell you is that I foresee the Maydays, the near misses coming in slower than rescues. which is a good thing, you know, but my vote would be to start populating data. by the numbers first, but we're also going to send out a yearly you know summary and review of the raw data. So you'll see exactly per question what the statistics and the numbers are and then also we will give you i don't even know what what it's called but i guess the Analyzed data. Some what's that correlation? A summary almost? It's a yeah, not just a summary, but like correlating. For one question, well, this question is affecting this question. You know, we have data analytics people that are gonna do this stuff for us. you know, the firefighter rescue survey team. has a a couple people that work on their team that are phenomenal and she she was talking to me and I thought she was speak in Chinese to me.

Basil Ibrahim: But there is a lot of lessons learned here. And we were learning in the process and we're excited to populate it out. So we're going to try to set out you know, expect a six-month, about a six-month you know data release, and then after that probably on a yearly basis says unless we hit like crazy numbers, then we'll just put it out there, you know, hey, the the first thousand or whatnot. Corley: And and something I'm gonna talk to to Nick and and Brian and and the and everybody about it on there because even this and I talked to you on the phone about it the other day. It was just spitballing kind of being creative, but a a printed some A printed report would be beautiful, almost like a like an NFPA 1700 type little book, a paperback book. And and with the way that I've learned about Amazon and how if as long as you had someone to put it together into a PDF You could get it printed and then people could to purchase it and also help offset some of the cost because I know none of this is cheap and I know it's not for money, but it doesn't happen for free.

Basil Ibrahim: Right. Well, it's it's definitely not cheap. you know, and we're not gonna tell you, I told you in private how much I'm out of pocket on this, but That's not the point. The other question that we talked about a little bit earlier is is this a nonprofit organization? Well, it will be. It's not right now because I didn't want to spend the money to Building right now until we launch, but it's in the works and it will become one once we launch here on the first by 2020. 25. The website is live. You can go on it, the QR code, it's you can use it on your phone, you can do it on a computer. it's It's as firefighter friendly as possible, I think. But we also have our email on there and our phone number. If you feel there is a question that needs a better answer or you know rewording or adding questions Dude, send us an email. You know, we are the fire service. You know, the more input we get from people like you guys that are watching and that are out there, the better we're gonna make this for everybody. you know and and the team i just named you know those you know those six people and and me that's not it i've talked to a bunch of different people you know i talk obviously you know corley you and i spoke spoke to jim cormick sam hittle Talked. I mean, I I can just keep going on and on. You know, Davis, the high-rise guys, you know, they're like, hey, there is no may they information for high rise can we put this that yeah of course send me all the stuff that you want and then we're gonna put the questions out there and get the data It's simple. It's not hard. We just want to get the word out there.

Corley: No, that's that's I'll I'm gonna tap everybody. Vigilante is gonna be sharing this everywhere Steven Kaiser's question coming at you from the future, down under. He said, I love data first and foremost. I wish I had a good Australian accent, I'd try to say it. But he goes, I present and train on Rit Mayday at my state service How accessible and allowable is it to use the project's data in my presentations in the future? Dude, it's not my information. Basil Ibrahim: You can use it as you please. That's what it's there for. If we're populating it for people to do what? Just put it on their wall and yeah, use it. Share it, you know. But Not every set of information is going to be applicable to your specific agency. Take the information, look at it. How can you apply it and make your agency better, right? Your surrounding areas, your operating procedures, you know, tactics are local to regional, right? Maybe You'll see, and you're like, oh, maybe I need to buy a different piece of equipment because that worked better for this scenario or whatnot. But absolutely, it's not going to be proprietary. All we ask is that, you know, give credit where you got it, you know, cite your sources so that other people can go back and then benefit just like the way you're benefiting and then they can share it. So we can continuously grow this and make this better.

Corley: That's what I love. That's why I absolutely love the mission is is and it's people getting it done and I I without even going too off topic. But Nathan Sturm asks this question. How are you handling the maydays that result in LODDs? Is that data being used due to the possible complexity of information that could be gathered? So so it's Basil Ibrahim: The outcome, there's going to be an outcome section on the survey. You know, if it's an LODD, you'll hit that tab and then Some questions are going to populate after that based on that LODD, what type of LODD, you know, what did you do, X, Y, and Z. But the survey is a survey. We're not we're not here to judge. We're not here to critique. We're just here to see what happened and then put put it on paper for other people to see. So if that's how I understood his question. No, no. Corley: It was a great, I think you answered it beautifully. And if not, he can ask for clarification. We'll absolutely get it for him. I've two questions coming at you that are kind of related. One is from Josh Edwards. He says, how do we donate? So that might be part of the the nonprofit once that's set up or not. I don't know. the other one tied to it is said, will there be swag to help fund, not just because I like or not because I like swag, which I think is sarcasm. But

Basil Ibrahim: Yeah, so both of those are eventually we're probably gonna have a tab on the website. like I said, we're gonna Copycat, the firefighter rescue survey with their approval, of course. Everything I wrong by them and everything is approved by them. So if you see very similar things that we use for our approach, it was asked about and permission was granted from those guys. But yeah, eventually we'll probably have a tab, you know, and you can buy a t-shirt with the logo and whatnot and all the money would go on there and a donate tab if you want to But it's all going, it's all gonna go straight towards this software. we're probably gonna end up having to upgrade the you know the data collection software right now it's on the Google form and it's not as detailed as we want it to be. and it It creates more work on our end. Once we start getting a lot of the data, we're probably going to have to get with some computer smart people that can actually create a set of you know data acquisition. paperwork or software specifically for us the way we want to and that will cost money. But again, yeah, man. It's it's it's gonna be a a big journey, man. And we just starting, but it's exciting, man.

Corley: It's it's really exciting. Very, very exciting. Joe Gavita says, had a bell for a minute. Not sure if this has been discussed, but do you have any data on how Mayday firefighters are removed? I know it is tracked in rescue surveys such as dirty drag ladder, etc. Basil Ibrahim: Yeah, right now out of out of the the 45 beta survey there we We got most of them are dirty drags. Most of them are dirty grass from a doorway. But the survey will ask all of that. It will ask, you know, was the were they packaged, were they dirty drag? How far? Did it go through a window? Were they removed from a ladder? Upstairs, downstairs. Did they have to create egress? Did it have to create access? I mean it goes into details but it's it's also it's it's written so that it's not overwhelming for the person filling out the entry to fill out. Speaker 3: Right. Basil Ibrahim: And we will really dive into the ins and outs of it on the follow-up phone call, really. You know. So if the question that was asked, and it's on the frequently asked question part on the website, if you go on, you can hit that tab. It's what if one of the answers Isn't exactly what happens on my call. Well, that's a valid question. Fill out the closest one And then when we call you for the follow-up interview, you know, we'll address that one. and you can send us an email also if I'm getting a lot of the questions Excuse me, if I'm getting a lot of questions like this, let's we're gonna call it question 22. If question 22 has a lot of Other you know, answers with the other checked on there. Well, maybe we need to look into the other answers And then create add another answer based on that. So and it being a living, a living survey is such an important part of this It is. And just I I we ask for patience on this because it's gonna be it's growing pains. and we we're Most all of us on this committee are firefighters at the core, you know? Lindsay Judah, Dr. Judah, she's she she's a doctor. She's a super smart one out of the whole group and chief Eddie Griffin. They're all smart, but those two are like they're cerebral.

Basil Ibrahim: Okay. They're scholars. They understand. They're all of that. I'm not like that. So you we we use our our talents, man. We use our our team and we try to make this whole thing better. But we are open for advice. And we are open for criticism as long as it's constructive and you're not just out there talking smack. And if you are, it don't matter because I don't care about your feelings. That's just Corley: That's kind of how Baz rolls. Yeah. Zachary Wendell says, is there a specific topic, tactic, or mindset involving writ that you are hoping this survey sheds a light on and help change for the better? Like personally. Basil Ibrahim: I would like to show, which is already showing from Project MEIDE, that a reactive approach does not work. the whole standby writ outside with staging your tools and taking every single piece of equipment out of your rig and put on the stretcher and put on the stokes and the jackhammer and the ropes and this and that and you're going to a single story residential wood frame shotgun shack in the ghetto For what? You're wasting your time. You're wasting your resources. Okay. Get in gear. Be mobile. Be fast. Survey the structure. Soften up the building. Look and then prevent the Mayday from happening. It's already showing. The data is already showing. Now we I just want to really focus on you know, some of the command considerations. A lot, you know, there is no really talk about the command aspect of it. What about your dispatchers? Okay. Dispatches a portion of the survey on there. They play a huge role or they should play a huge role in your Maydays. It's a tool that nobody taps into. These people that are sitting in a nice cushy office with lights and AC and computers and phone calls, you can do so many things. They can do so many. many things for you. Like for instance, I'm throwing it out there, second alarms. It should be automatic, right? Mayday's call out, second alarm should drop right away. Why does the chief have to call that and stop and take radio traffic and get online and call it? No, they hear Mayday, automatic dispatch, send a second alarm, and they dispatch on the main tack and have the unit it's respond on the the regular tack channel so that we don't take airtime on the operating tack.

Basil Ibrahim: Am I making sense? Oh yeah. Yeah. So there is a lot of these things out there that I'm hoping the the data the data drives the decisions. The data drives the SO piece yeah instead of just basil saying that in his classes well what does basil know well i don't know much but if the data shows it then there is no arguing it's black and white right there Corley: No, I love it. I love it. Jason Haynes coming at you says, when is NFPA going to get on board and update 1407 to be current with today's practices that you and others like Robert Maris practice and train on. What will it take? A book of Mayday, a book of writ? Basil Ibrahim: I don't have the answer to that. So there they're already improving like they changed the whole lunar stuff there is no more lunar in there they went with a who what where and you can argue the who what where or where wa who or whatever you know I have my own train of thought on this and we can Discussed that at a different time. but the lunar stuff is gone. It's not even in the NFP anymore, which is a huge. You know, they were so like lunar, lunar, lunar, lunar. Now it's gone. So small progress, small wins, I guess. But really, I'm not worried about that right now. Obviously, we want to get buy-in from these big organizations because they are They are setting the rules out there for departments and you know legal departments and all of that. but For for this right now, I'm not really too worried about it. We've sent out today, we started sending out letters of like requests for endorsement and support to kind of spread the word. We sent out a bunch of different emails today to you know IFF and IFC and fire engineering, obviously firefighter rescue survey, the fools. you know cpsc and all those big organizations and we're starting to get Some back in that we got the first one we got back today was from fire engineering, you know, full endorsement and back in us, firefighter rescue survey, obviously. they helped us develop this whole thing so they they're backing us but really we just want to keep making the fire service better and you know Don Abbott and his team did a great job.

Basil Ibrahim: You know, he passed away. The stuff is gone. So we are just picking it back up. And we'll We'll maneuver the obstacles as they come, but we're gonna keep we're gonna keep chugging. Corley: So I love it. Kevin Kate, he says the rescue survey and the Mayday survey are both game-changing What else, in your opinion, does the fire service need data on that's not being collected? That's a good question. Speaker 3: It really is. Basil Ibrahim: I'm sitting there thinking about it myself, going, huh. That's a good question. I mean you I guess you can you can survey everything and and get data. really I my my biggest Well I always say that training is the answer to 99% of the problems in the fire service. Training. Training should be the biggest pillar of your organization. It should be the biggest base. It's the foundation. to a successful organization. You build a good, strong base, you can build as high as you want on top of it. From ProB, new higher proby orientation to leadership development all the way to the Chiefs and continuing education and holding the standard, not just past the class, but continuing annual standards. A good strong training department staffed appropriately with the right people, not just anybody put in training because, okay, oh, you're the new guy, you're gonna go to training. No, we need to stop this crap. That's the problem. out here. We're just e we're not prioritizing these spots. We're not making them enticing enough. So You know, we're using him kind of like as a punishment. We put the new guys there. No, we need to make those spots enticing for the right people to go in those seats. So To answer your question, I know I'm kind of veering off. No, no, no. Maybe a survey on the type of training division that you have in correlation with the success of your fire department. Hmm. Maybe something like that. I don't know.

Corley: But that's a that's a really good question, man. Basil Ibrahim: No, it's a great question. Corley: It's something to contemplate and I hope And who knows, maybe someone sitting in the chat right now is the person that figures out the next the the firefighter training survey and how to make that happen and that's someone's holy grail they're gonna chase. I love it. Ryan Jones says, can Canadian departments contribute to Project Mayday? Basil Ibrahim: Yes, great question, man. Great question. So it's from Canada and the US right now. Canada and the US. So I haven't had any Canadian entries yet. when we first launched the We first launched the news on social media that we were going to start this. I had a Canadian brother reach out on Messenger saying that he would love to be the Canadian I guess liaison or whatever, but my freaking phone deleted somehow that message. I don't even know who it was because I received literally like 200 messages. that day. And I don't know what happened, but that Canadian brother's name is gone. And I would have loved to pick his brain on that. Corley: Because hopefully he'll he'll he'll hear this and reach out to you and say, hey, I heard you lost my number. Of course, now any Canadian can do it. And so we'll see how it goes. Yeah. And some of them will because they have a pretty good sense of humor. I'll put it

Basil Ibrahim: that way. Yeah. Corley: Yeah. McGinn said your phone doesn't understand metric. no, that's a great question on that. So Steve and Luke, you got Australia, not yet, but Canada, yes. all right, moving away from the survey. Is there anything else you want to touch on the survey? Or do you feel like you've I mean I know you haven't exhausted it, but is there anything else you want to say to wrap up that that section? Right now, that I mean that's Basil Ibrahim: Let's get the word out there. Firefighter Maydaysurvey. com. Very easy platform to use. Go on there and the under the you know the about us tab it has all the frequently asked questions you can hit the survey button submit survey and scan through the questions if you want. If you want to browse, I think there's one or two questions that are required for you to move on to the next page. You can just hit that and go on to the next page. Just please don't submit it. It'll just create extra work for us on the back end and delete it. But share it, man. It will start January 1st, 2025. You know, we're gonna Send the QR codes everywhere and tell everybody not to be afraid to submit. Please, it doesn't matter if you're the rookie all the way up to the fire chief. So submit the survey on a Mayday. It doesn't have to be necessarily a Mayday, guys, okay? If you're in trouble. Firefighter in distress, submit the survey. If you should have called the Mayday and you didn't, submit the survey. A near miss, close call, line of duty, submit the survey and let us figure out if it's important or not, because chances are it is. Love it.

Corley: A couple questions off the well off the survey topic, but away from survey discussion. Chris Nugent asked, recommendations for what should we carry in a writ bag slash kit? I'm sure you've never had this question before. Basil Ibrahim: Yeah, right. So again, this is going to be very situational dependent, depending on your your staffing, your manpower on your rig, how you operate, but Me personally, mobile, light, and fast. Okay. My rent pack on my truck right now is bare bones. I have the rent pack. That's it. I don't have bolt cutters and all this extra crap and all these. Flashlights and dinghy things and stuff on there. My RIP pack is just that. My bottle, I can fix my high pressure side, my low pressure side, face piece, regulator, and my high pressure line that's it my shoulder strap that carries my pack is a pickoff strap it doubles as a package strap if I need it. Something that we just posted also on social media is we put reflective tape on the UAC and also Andy Starnes and some of the the other guys are coming out with IR tape infrared tape that you can wrap around your UAC for visibility. Same thing. Like I I added it to my SCBA shoulder buckles, shoulder cinch buckles right here. so that when we go to package, you can actually see it. It goes in the dark. I posted a video on it. Dude, it works like a charm. Obviously people are like, oh, well, what if it's smoky? You can't see it. I get it, man. I know. I've been in fires. But It increases the visibility. And this is where what Andy Star, Chief Starnes, and some of those guys in the military that were trying to develop this IR tape comes into play because your tick will be able to detect it. through the smoke. So answer your question light mobile and fast man for the red stuff

Corley: Jason Haynes says, question, do you see air packs becoming universal with lighting systems like on the MSA shining on the UAC or an integrated light on the RIT pack UAC hoses? I'm sure I'm sure they're gonna start doing that. Basil Ibrahim: will it help? Yeah, maybe. I just I just don't want it to add weight. Okay, the more the more gimmicks and stuff we have on these air packs and all the more weight it adds and the more chances of malfunction it's gonna bring. So it's a double-edged sword as long as to me as long as you don't add weight to it, I'm good. I want I want my air pack to be super light, super small. And That's it. K-I-S-S. That's it. That's it. Corley: no, I loved Lombardo when he was on a few weeks ago. He talked about when the air packs first started coming on the rigs. They would sit around and talk about can you imagine in 30 years this thing's gonna be like a piece you just stick in your mouth and walk around and breathe, you know? He goes, I never thought they'd get heavier and bigger and bulkier Basil Ibrahim: He's got a point, man. It's getting ridiculous out there. I have a study actually that I've done with we used to have the old Scott 30-minute bottles, and now we have the Scott 45-minute bottles, the heavy ones. with all the bells and whistles and all. They're they're good. It's great. Okay. I'm not complaining about the technology, but people are like, oh well, let's get you you know more air so you can you know last longer and this and that but what did they do they moved the low pressure alarm from a quarter to a third so now you got less time to be in there and also what about your physical exertion that you have it's heavier so we did a study But it's not really a study. We compared workouts, functional workouts, doing the same exact thing, two different shifts. On two different shifts with a 30-minute bottle and then a 45-minute bottle. Exact same circuit, exact same time of the day. We were able to complete more rounds with the smaller bottle than the big bottle Okay, so it's really there's a breaking point, right? And obviously if you're caught in a, you know, you're caught in a You know, flashover and your egress is is cut and you're like, oh damn, I wish I had that bigger bottle now, right?

Basil Ibrahim: You can always what if it, but You have to take calculated risk in our job, right? And look at the statistics. No. What do you do most often? I want to be light, mobile, and fast. Me personally. Corley: I love it. follow-up question comes from Zachary Wendell. When you are suggesting of getting away from a reactive writ, are you are you going as far as to say a team inside the structure trying to be proactive or still staying exterior? So Basil Ibrahim: So do not as far as the interior stuff goes, it's going to be situation dependent, right? But remain disciplined. to your task. If you're if you're fighting fire, somebody needs to keep doing that for the emergency to go away. Okay? Now if The guys fall through the the floor right next to you and you're on the hose line. Well grab your grab your guy out of the hole, man. I mean that's just common sense I'm not saying completely, you know, leave your task on the inside to go be proactive for rate. No. Okay. But the writ company itself, once it's assigned, needs to be proactive. That's it. The data shows it. It's not my opinion. You know, be engaged. You're already primed. You're already on scene. You already have eyes on the structure. You're moving around, you see where the guys are operating, you got your tools where they need to be, your ladders are already thrown where they need to be. And if the Mayday happens, You're that far ahead. And chances are you're still probably not going to affect that rescue. The guys on the inside are going to do it, most than likely. Generally speaking from the data that we've had, you know? Absolutely. But that's what I mean by that.

Corley: Love it. Love the answer. Love the questions. audience you're absolutely killing if you got questions get them in because we're getting close to the end here as we're wrapping up thank you for the question zakary marco isom says what vendor did you get the r IR tape from Basil Ibrahim: So like I said, Andy Starnes, Chief Andy Starnes. He was on last night, if you don't know yes, yeah. He was last night He developed them for the tetrahedrons on the helmet. And when I talked to him about tick stuff, because he's a tick guru He's like, I had some stuff I'm working on for the tetrahedron. I'm like, would you mind sending me some and I took him and I cut him in little strips and I put him on the the shoulder strap I put it on my pickoff trap itself. I put it on the UAC and it works really good. I also got some from a military company I'll have to look it up. I forgot the name of it. They sent me some samples. I haven't tried those out yet. But I'm gonna try try those out. It's not like out there for people to buy, man. It's really not. In the military company, like you really have to like send a bunch of information for clearance before they can send it, send that stuff to you.

Corley: Excellent. Excellent. All right. If they got more questions, get them in. I'm not gonna, we me and Bass talked about it because he just did the five, he he's done the five questions The current five questions. I got one coming at you from Jeff Stone. Do you have the sense that most maydays occur when crews are overextended with tasks or victims and span of control is overtaxed? Basil Ibrahim: I mean that that's always gonna be you know a factor. I don't have the data to tell you right now. I I don't I would be just pulling off the data that you know project made a populated but those are questions that are going to be in this survey you know were you on a double were you working a swap how many calls have you had prior to the incident call. there is all of those data, those questions, we're gonna be pulling it out and then giving you guys the answers here hopefully in the next the next six months. or so. Corley: I love it, man, dude. It's a great time to be alive. A great time to be in the fire service. so with all that being said, this was a special doubleheader event. when when when Basil said he was taking over, not taking over, but But continuing the work that was laid down of the foundation laid by the late great Don Abbott and everything that he brought to the fire service I said, man, we got to do a scrap. We absolutely have to get you on here. But it's all booked up. So that's the reason for the doubleheader. just so everybody knows. It was the same. I try not to do them like that too often. But this to me was so important that we got to get the message out there And so this was the date that we could make it work. And so he came on and shared it. So with all that being said, I'm seeing if there's any more questions. Okay Tom Hollick said, can you sp the website, Sam's posted in chat, Sam will post it again, but it's firefightermaydaysurvey. com, correct?

Basil Ibrahim: Yes, firefighter fully spelled out, Mayday fully spelt out, survey. com. Just how it is. And then you hit on there, our email is on there also. It's f Maydaysurvey at gmail. com. Once we start getting more stuff, we can have like a quote unquote real email. Right now we're using Google, but it works. So you can send me emails on there if you help you guys can text me if you have any questions you know We can put the phone number on there, Corley, or I can say it here, whichever. I don't care. Corley: You completely. Tom Hollick has another one coming and says, can you speak to the command side as to what will be asked? Basil Ibrahim: So it's again, we have a whole command section, Tom. Go on there right now and then hit it and go through the survey and you'll have all the questions, all the initial questions that we're going to ask. But you know, The some questions like were they on scene? Was the command even established prior to the Mayday? did they have an aid? Did they run a mobile command, a stationary command? Were they on the headset? Were they using a portable? Were they using a mobile radio? What type of mode were they in? Was it defensive mode? Was it offensive mode? Did we have water on fire yet or not? conditions initial arriving conditions there there's so much tom that to talk about that what level of training does the ic have in in the writ did they change channels did they not change channels who managed the other channel did they catch the Mayday on the first call They did not catch the Mayday. Who caught the Mayday? We can go on and on and on and on. And this is for just Yeah, and this is just for We're talking like residential. Now you add you go to high rise, then that adds a whole other category. You know, did you have a division floor, division incident command? Or did, you know, built was it building sprinklers, this and that. It keeps going on and on. So this is a very live survey that based on some of the answers that you give on the interview phone call we will talk and dive into a little bit more to get more insights on it.

Basil Ibrahim: Initially when we came up with the actual questions with a committee like hey just any questions that you think write it on a piece of paper we had over 400 questions between wow and that was just like Like s in like a day or so. Wow. And we're like, there's no way we can put that on there. Nobody's gonna fill this out ever, you know, with 400 questions. So yeah, man Corley: Yes, Kate Kaiser Trevor asked other questions about weather conditions. There are there is a question on the weather conditions, yes. Basil Ibrahim: Yeah, there is weather conditions, time of the day. You know, all of all of that stuff is on there. Corley: Andrew Johnson has a question coming at you. Not really about the survey. So this will be the one I probably wrap it up with unless there's just some more great ones. But Andrew Johnson out of Kansas. He says data shows most maydays are resolved by the member or crew in the area. And for small understaffed departments where a formal writ is not an option or a or or it's a long way out. Do you have recommendations for small departments? Basil Ibrahim: So I I always say I think he's asking recommendations for like a training or or tactical recommendations. Yeah, I think tactical or so it I always say, you know, there is the data shows that Everybody on the fire ground needs to have a level of survival and writ training. Everybody on the fire ground, because for that specific reason, for because the writ company or the rescue company. doesn't make the rescue statistically speaking most of the time. So tactically that you did not give me enough enough description to give you what I would do in this specific situation. Sure. But what I'm telling you is that everybody in your agency should have training in survival, air management, physical training, staying in shape, and how to assist other companies out there. And some people don't even have a writ pack in their department. Like this survey is based for there is an option for volunteer departments also. So a lot of those guys, they may not even have a writ pack. So they have to figure out how to work things a lot differently than the the paid guys do. You know, they're working arguably harder than than what we would.

Basil Ibrahim: So That answer is going to vary based on the situation, man. I wish I could give you a more like detailed answer, but you did not give me No, no. Broad question gets broad answers. Corley: And it's a it was a great broad answer. It really was. And and it and honestly, man. You take care of those things, you're setting yourself up for success when it when it gets hard and changing and the chaos hits. Yeah. So absolutely, brother is a great answer to a great question Both of them were broad. So touch, let's talk real, let's talk quickly. No, not quickly. Let's just talk about one bad tour, how it's going. Okay, well the last time you were on it was kind of new, but that's not what this is about. I know, but I still want to hear about it. Basil Ibrahim: Okay, so we'll we'll we'll brush brush over it real quick, man, because I can see It's really not about this. But one bat tour is been it's it's blowing up, man. It's the response that we're getting from the class is absolutely phenomenal So one battor is our 24 hour consecutive class. And it's we are gonna run it. Only three times a year, no more. We've had requests. We were only going to do it twice, and we've had so many applicants that it's like guys are excuse me, filling out the applications, you know, three, four times and you're not even close of getting on the next class. So we're like, we're gonna let's run it three times a year, but no more than that. it'll be run in the cold month of Florida, which is gonna be you know, either between January and March and then fall to December. So most of the classes are at Leesburg Fire Department down in Florida. Great little fire department with the right mindset, this good vision, great, great, all the way from the fire chief, all the way down, as a matter of fact, their fire chief was in class two of OBT. wow almost 30 years on the job. He didn't make it, but he was out there and he freaking gave it 200%. Great, dude. But so it's going great. We have our OBT five class five in about a week and a half and i used to open up the application process for two weeks and I got 500 and something applicants to go through.

Basil Ibrahim: So now I'm only opening it for one week. In the last one we had 363 people put in for the last one What I can tell people is that it's not a smoke diver class. I'm not comparing that to any smoke diver class. It's very different. But you have to pay attention to detail, you have to be physically fit, use teamwork, communication, leadership, and pre-planning. to be successful. It's not hard. It's it encompasses all truck functions. So you're gonna do truck work. So VES, forcible entry, ladders, roof work, aerial work, and then writ survival. There's no engine work in there because I stay in my lane. The guys, all the cadre, the the instructors, we've all went through a pilot class. We put ourselves through it and we're like okay we need to tone it down because this is not sustainable so we tone it down you are not allowed to be on the cadre or teach If you haven't completed the class, everybody that successfully completes the class is allowed to come back to learn and to help the program. And live fire components, we try to do it as real life as possible. Live victims, obviously not with the live fire. I get the whole 14 or free stuff. But we have multiple live fire evolutions and no training scars. So whatever tools you train with in your fire department. When you come to the class, you can use it. You want to use your tick, your flashlight, your special halligan that you have, or whatever the heck you carry. come over and then try it out. We're trying to provide a platform for people to practice and try their things over a 24 hour consecutive. It's minimal breaks. total in the 24 hour probably about three hours of break time and but it's not all go go go go go you know that's not sustainable You know, just like the fire service. High pressure, low pressure. High pressure, low pressure. You know, how you measure your success in the fire service on the fire ground. It's not how long you can do something is your recovery rate. How fast you can recover to do the same thing at the same level again. That's how you truly measure your fire ground performance. Everybody can do cool stuff and hard stuff when they're fresh, right?

Basil Ibrahim: But how fast can you recover and be able to do that same thing again? the same level. Essentially that's the bowl of the class. Corley: That's awesome, man. And and the people that have been through it are passionate about it, man. And so absolutely that and and the The applications speak for themselves. I like it when you make a post about hey, I just threw whatever 75 applications in the trash. Basil Ibrahim: If you can't pay attention to detail, you'd be not people have a hard time filling out their names It's very crazy, but that's true. Makes the selection process a little easier. Corley: Yes, it does. Yes, sir. I love it. All right. That officially puts us into we're not doing the five questions because basil's already answered them, which makes me think I'm gonna be talking to the vigilantes about coming up with our our next version. It's time for the next version of the five questions. So but that officially puts 275 in the books, my brother I appreciate it. Dude, hey, bottom of my heart, I want to say this. Thank you for taking on this project. And I know it's I know it's the team. I know it's not you and all of that stuff. But like it or dislike it, thank you so much for pushing this forward, making this happen. And so and thank you for spending your evening with us to spread the word. Thank thanks for having me, man, and congrats on being a grandpa, man. Yes, yes. It's been a crazy we he wasn't supposed to be here until January, so he got he got here a little bit early. But everything's going good for him and Mama. So we're we're super blessed. And yeah, that's yeah, it's awesome. So that's all I'll yeah, leave it there. how how can people get a hold of you? Best way to do so

Basil Ibrahim: Yeah, so you can phone number 386-837-8292. you can go to firefighter Maydaysurvey. com or email us at FF. ffmaydaysurvey at gmail. com. you can reach to reach out to any of us. We're on social media, Chief Eddie Griffin. Doctor or Chief Lindsey Judah, Chief Aaron Hiller, Chief Jimmy Crawford, Chief Walt Lewis, Lieutenant Seth Major, Any of us, man, reach us, you know, reach out, ask questions, give us feedback, and most importantly, man, share it and let's get the data out there. Corley: Love it, brother. I absolutely am so excited about this housekeeping for me. Go be a vigilante. If you're not a vigilante, go be one. It's amazing, and they are such an unbelievable support group. And we're getting ready to work on the next five questions for firefighters, obviously. So that being said, they also get to pick who not pick, but they influence who comes on the scrap, who to reach out to. It's it's it's a big deal. And that's just my side of things They're also an unbelievable support group for each other. So go be a part. Patreon. com backslash vigilantes. The Discord's amazing. I'll quit talking about it. We do an after party after every scrap. Basil has agreed to come on and be roasted We're gonna we're gonna completely roast the guest in the vigilani after party. If you're vigilante, Sam right now is posting that link All that being said, the scrap is roaring along straight down the rails. Next Monday, make sure I got the right date. Next Monday, the 2nd of December, we kick off December with Brian Olson. And so I've been trying to get Brian on for a little bit, and he's coming on the show, followed by Chris Gilpin, Chris Slayer, who I had to reschedule from earlier in the year, and then Dr. David Griffin It's going to be a killer 2024, a killer December. And then of course Chief Lasky is going to close out 2024 in style with the year-in scrap. So that's the plan for the rest of the year. Basil, thanks again for coming on the scrap, my brother. Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate it, brother. Thank you guys for being here. Audience I say this every time and I mean it from the bottom of my heart. Without you, the scrap doesn't exist. You bring the best questions, you throw them at the guest so that he can crush them.

Corley: They can crush them. Thank you for tuning in live and spending your evening with us. Remember, mutts don't scrap. Speaker 5: I hope the tones stay silent unless it is burning. Everybody, stay safe out there.